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Jump to content. HonzaM, on 06 August - Community Forum Software by IP. Search Advanced Search section: This topic Forums. Is the matchmaking random? Started by vonMackense , Aug 06 Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next. I have been playing for a relatively short time and this is my first post. It is rather long because this is the most frustrating part of my experience and I would really like that an experienced player enlightens me.
To my background - I have a degree in mathematics and it belongs to my hobbies to analyse statistical properties of games. This was based on the fact that skills are normally and symetrically distributed - e. So if one selects randomly 2x15 players out of this large distribution, both teams will almost always mirror the same overall distribution - e. Indeed this is confirmed because I lost matches where I performed very well kills and won matches where I killed 0.
I also noticed that players with a high number of kills are often those who only snipe and take no risks so that they are the cause of a loss more often than not - especially on maps where a neutral flag has to be captured. An example of a series of matches that I monitored over 2 days was as follows: Clearly the results are not random and the series above exhibits a very strong autocorrelation e. As I like playing a light scout, I know the maps well and generally can anticipate where and when the ennemy will come so that I can help my team.
Clearly as my role is not to kill sometimes when there is opportunity, I'll kill arty , if my team looses it is because the 14 others don't kill enough or die too fast. Unfortunately in the series of losses it looked like if I was ALWAYS put together with really hopeless guys - rushing and dying, all going opposite side of the flag when the ennemy was capping, or 5 clustered behind the same rock while the ennemy was clearly deploying around them etc.
When that happens over and over, it is not only frustrating but seems to show that something non really random is going on. Loosing 10 matches in a row as well as winning 10 in a row - I have experienced several times the former but never the latter - has a very low probability but it can happen about once in matches so that one can say "bad luck" but producing a series like the one above should happen only about once in 20 matches so the probability to see it in only is virtually 0.
So the question for experienced players is: And is there some post explaining the technical details how the matchmaking is done? Thanks for any insightful comments. PCManiac 2 Posted 06 August - If I compare it with my other tanks then the obvious conclusion for me is that MM does not rely much on randomness. Edited by PCManiac, 06 August - Yes, the algorithm is pretty bad and lousy. I think the main problem is that quite often MM divides teams unfairly - not from the point of player skills, but from the point of vehicles weight and power.
It is not that there is not enough of them in queue so lets put something so we will not wait too long. Often, there are loads of screens on forums, you have 30 tanks which could be divided quite fairly by most of players who at least partly know the vehicles and their power , but MM for some strange reason divides them the worst possible way. So you have 4 heavies on one side and 1 on another. Apparently, developers hide behind some "variability" concept it is "meant to be" that way.
NO, I do not know about any game or sport in which one would be glad to have any significant disadvantage. Players often see this is not the case - and surely they are angry. Forums are full of it. WG reponses I have seen are just bashing that they are cry babies and "the best argument they have - "you should be grateful, it was even worse". But apparently WG is not interested.
They cant even predict minor problems like MM problems after arty nerf, when arty was considered same wieght as HT. Edited by wugwugs, 06 August - Gugulugalaga 4 Posted 06 August - Well, vonMackense, that sounds very much correct to me. I very much doubt, that it's random matchmaking. I think WoT is not able to deliver that. There would be more games, that show equally good teams, but that's rare. I concluded for myself, that WoT is adjusting the WR of players by some obviously not very smart algorithm.
If you won too much, you'll get a bunch of teams that will lose no matter what. That is boring and frustrating. If you have suffered enough, you'll get absolute killerteams, where, if you have a slow tank you will not fire a shot, because they already obliterated the enemy. That's also quite boring usually. If you're a very bad player, you might not even notice this up and down, because you usually lose anyway.
If you're a very good player maybe neither, because you can decide a game with the right tank. For me, an average player, I have to bear this. Luckily skill has still some influence and you can have fun or I would have given up long time ago. But I really get demotivated when I realize I am in a losing streak. Edited by Gugulugalaga, 06 August - Laatikkomafia 5 Posted 06 August - I'll use my own stats. Wins aprox. But platooning with good players helps too: In conclusion, WR doesn't tell everything.
HonzaM 6 Posted 06 August - Milions topics about this. Nobody know for sure. WG has this patent http: They will continue to play and pay. It is pretty logic. Let me quote an important part of that patent: Thus, when a player has been repeatedly put into too many difficult battles, the balancing is done in favor of easier battle sessions, thereby encouraging the player by providing an easier game environment.
Similarly, when the player has been repeatedly put into too many easy battles, the balancing is done in favor of harder battle sessions, thereby keeping the player challenged instead of letting the player become bored with easy games. But i often feel its already live. Another possible algorithm is to increase the battle level by one within the permissible range for a vehicle each time a player wins a battle with that vehicle, and decrease the battle level by one within the permissible range each time a player loses a battle with that vehicle.
If the battle level is already at the upper end of the range and the player wins the battle, the battle level may remain constant. Similarly, if the battle level is already at the lower end of the range and the player loses the battle, the battle level may remain constant. Mate I am only going to comment on the one point.
That of your surprise that your win ratio was not an average of the possible known outcomes. We are not flipping coins and the MM is not trying to make balanced teams. Or not for a given value of balanced that is relevant to the outcome of any subset of games. Also the play is highly random in its play and that will affect outcomes. Just jot down all the outcome variables you can think of and then look at your numbers.
Nothing should make you think you should hit even a mean value for any give subset of the games outcomes. As a last point your numbers at just are way to small for any meaningful or subjective analysis. If you do want a larger date set I and I suspect most other players. Would be more than happy for you to use the date on my profile.
Personally I think they blindfold a recovering alcoholic and lock him in a dark room and get him to play spin the bottle to pick the teams. I can accept that this is probably true but only over an extended period. Lets take earlier today. I played a battle and prior to the start there were around players in the queue. However the chances are not all players in the 80 would be in the right tiers for that battle, so the odds change dramatically. I do not know how the MM calculations actually work and I'm sure if someone posted them here, it would go straight over my head, but I do understand that "random" as in the MM cannot be totally random as there are constraints of the number of tiers allowed into each battle.
If someone can explain exactly how this MM works in terms that "Homer Simpson" would understand then I would be eternally grateful. As to other points in your post, I would take issue with a couple. To infer that "snipers" contribute to the loss is unfair. I accept that some players will hang back and snipe with tanks far better suited to brawling and that they may indeed contribute more to a loss that contributing to a win, but please, please, qualify your statements better.
If, for example, I sniped and got 4 or 5 kills in a battle that we lost, am I the cause of the loss? Or is it a combination of the way all 15 of us played and don't forget the 15 players on the red team. I think, if we are going to try and reduce this game to maths to explain our results then perhaps we should be looking at using "Bistromathics" as explained below. The Bistromathic Drive is used in Slartibartfast's craft Bistromath and works by exploiting the irrational mathematics that apply to numbers on a waiter's bill pad and groups of people in restaurants.
This article is outdated and explains the matchmaking used until Team selection for random battles is done according to several. I very much doubt, that it's random matchmaking. I think WoT is not able to deliver that. There would be more games, that show equally good.
The main method in World Of Tanks for game rigging is predetermining the winner and the loser by using unbalanced teams. If the teams are very unequal by skill or by composition tier spread, tanks upgrade state then predicting the winner becomes very easy. How would you do in a m sprint or in a heavyweight boxing match or in a game of chess at Olympic level? Kind of puts a smile in your face, right?
Jump to content. As you all may know, the matchmaker has been quite a problem even back in the days when the blitz version was introduced.
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Random Matchmaking needs to be addressed
In World of Tanks, platoons allow players to team up and enter battles together in small groups of two or three. Update 9. We'll explain how the new matchmaking system works for those who are new to these recent changes. World of Tanks matchmaking now follows a template-based algorithm. Ideally, the matchmaking system will create teams with only three tanks at top tier, five at mid-tier, and seven at the bottom.
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By Hammerald , April 13, in Gameplay. Hello there, Captains! With update 0. I really think this is a big step towards making the game more enjoyable by balance, yet there is a just as important thing that I hope is lurking in World of Warships developers minds: I am also glad that one of my hopes is becoming reality, sending bad players in any way "bad players" can be described into forced Co-Op games, to chill their nipples or learn the basics! They can play and have more fun in their black-stats-league, at the bottom of the pit, that's the only way they can climb up Being able to somehow-rely on one of your random team-mates is crucial in a tactical game like this. Just looking at the MM monitor, some players instantly realize they need to 1v23 for victory I think this will just improve the community as well, lower toxicity , by gathering players of similar skills closer, as they meet each other more often and so they can develop friendships and rivalries.
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Team selection for random battles is done according to several parameters. Each battle takes place in a battle tier , which should not be confused with tank tiers. On this page we always use Arabic numerals "7" when discussing battle tiers and Roman numerals "VII" when discussing tank tiers. Team balancing within a battle tier takes place according to vehicle specific weighting and additional restrictions. Battles can take place in ten different battle tiers. Each vehicle, depending on its performance, is assigned a certain subset of these battle tiers that it is supposed to fight in. To see which battle tiers a vehicle can fight in, find it on the left side of the chart. If it is not listed as an exception on the Unique Matchmaking Chart, the default rules above apply. Take, for example, an Pz. It doesn't have unique matchmaking.
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